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OK, I love these types of entries - that result in lots of feedback.

I agree that the MH-60S is actually an utility helicopter (as it is multi role).

The original entry in the special operations area is not correct.

So here is a suggestion from me as an update:

Rev A - remove trailing zeros. Update category to 21 - Utility Helicopter. Deprecate original MH-60S entry, and point to new utility entry.

Regards,


-----Original Message-----
From: SAC-SWG-ENUM <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Flemming Joergensen
Sent: 01 November 2019 23:21
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: CR to add E-2D and MH-60S

Maybe the MH 60S entry is miscategorized?
Since it is used for many different purposes, it could have been placed under Category 21 Utility Helicopter.

Regarding duplicate air domain categories, note that category 1-9 are fixed wing aircrafts and category 20-25 are helicopters.

Regards
Flemming Joergensen

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-----Original Message-----
From: SAC-SWG-ENUM <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Marrou, Lance R.
Sent: 02 November 2019 00:29
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: CR to add E-2D and MH-60S

5 is for FWA, 22 is for RWA.  They are not the same.

Any new CAT for helicopter should try to stay around the helicopter ranges, which is 20+.

If you recategorize it, please have a good justification.  I see a LOT of overlap in the categories so that I don't think it matters which CAT it goes in.  And changing it now simply causes impact to every system that uses it. Help them justify the benefit of the impact.  For example, if it were currently under 5, that would be a mistake and the benefit is clear: people will mistake it for a FWA.

Lance Marrou, Leidos, [log in to unmask]
12901 Science Drive, Orlando, Florida USA 32826, o: 407.243.3710


-----Original Message-----
From: SAC-SWG-ENUM <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Orlando Laboy
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2019 7:44 AM
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Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: CR to add E-2D and MH-60S

I agree with Lance's suggested name change. However, neither CAT 22 (Anti-Submarine Warfare/Patrol Helicopter) nor CAT 25 (Special Operations Helicopter) are appropriate. The MH-60S is a multi-role helicopter but I think it will be better described with a new CAT of Surface Warfare (SUW). Based on this I suggest changing the CR to add CAT 10 Surface Warfare (SUW) and change the name and the category.

By the way, I noticed duplicate air domain categories:

5     ASW/Patrol/Observation
22   Anti-Submarine Warfare/Patrol Helicopter



Orlando J. Laboy
Senior Technical Specialist, Tactical Systems Defense & Security CAE USA T. +1-813-887-1368   E. [log in to unmask]
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-----Original Message-----
From: SAC-SWG-ENUM <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Marrou, Lance R.
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 5:17 PM
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Subject: [SUSPICIOUS] Re: EXTERNAL: CR to add E-2D and MH-60S

Perhaps the CR could be updated to instead update the name.  The existing entry was added prior to us tracking them in CRs.  The entry is

MH 60S Knight Hawk

And, you might actually want

MH-60S Knighthawk

I searched on MH-60s and of course found nothing because there's a space, not a hyphen.  The more important point is that the MH-60S is under CAT 25 for special operations.  The CR proposed CAT 22 for Anti-Submarine Warfare/patrol helicopter.  My opinion is to not change it once assigned unless there's a really good reason.

Lance Marrou, Leidos, [log in to unmask]
12901 Science Drive, Orlando, Florida USA 32826, o: 407.243.3710


-----Original Message-----
From: SAC-SWG-ENUM <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Mike Penkrot
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 2:44 PM
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Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: CR to add E-2D and MH-60S

The MH-60S Knighthawk already exists as 1.2.225.25.1.6.0.

Thanks,
Mike Penkrot
(757) 335-7378
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-----Original Message-----
From: SAC-SWG-ENUM <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Marrou, Lance R.
Sent: 31 October 2019 08:11
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: CR to add E-2D and MH-60S

This is an automated message generated by the Enumerations for Simulation Interoperability tool set.

Your change request has been registered and has been allocated Change Request Number 4312. A copy of your change request is attached as CR04312 - EntityType-CR_E-2D and MH-60S.xlsx. If you want to update or withdraw this change request then please modify the attached file and reply to this email. Please do not change the file name other than to add or modify the revision letter after the CR number.

Lance Marrou, Leidos, [log in to unmask]
12901 Science Drive, Orlando, Florida USA 32826, o: 407.243.3710


-----Original Message-----
From: SAC-SWG-ENUM <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Steve Weiss
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: EXTERNAL: CR to add E-2D and MH-60S

CR to add E-2D and MH-60S



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