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RE: Draft BPDSP for SAC Review Jane Bachman <a href="/index.htm?LOGON=A3%3Dind0604%26L%3DSISO-SAC%26E%3Dquoted-printable%26P%3D7083998%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252Fhtml%3B%2520charset%3DUTF-8%26XSS%3D3%26header%3D1" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> <a href="/index.htm?LOGON=A3%3Dind0604%26L%3DSISO-SAC%26E%3Dquoted-printable%26P%3D7083998%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252Fhtml%3B%2520charset%3DUTF-8%26XSS%3D3%26header%3D1" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> agree with Duke's suggestion. -Jane

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From: SISO-SAC: Duncan Miller
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Subject: Re: Draft BPDSP for SAC Review


From: "Duncan Miller" ([log in to unmask])

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Looks great to me. Tiny suggestion: make the comma after
"collegial process" into a semicolon.

Duke


At 2:25 PM -0400 4/26/06, SISO-SAC: James Kogler wrote:
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>Sorry, for the confusion.
>
>I like this:
>"A meeting Chair shall conduct meetings in accordance with
Robert's
>Rules of Order Newly Revised (10^th Edition). The Chair may
entertain a
>motion to suspend specific rules (e.g. standing, recognition,
debate
>limits) to allow for a more collegial process, however, at any
time in
>the meeting, the Chair may invoke parliamentary procedures in
order to
>control the meeting."
>
>
>SISO-SAC: James McCall wrote:
>> From: "James McCall" ([log in to unmask]
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>> Jim,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please clarify, are you agreeing with Katherine on advocating
#1 or
>> are you
>> advocating the # 2 alternative.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SISO-SAC: James Kogler
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>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: Draft BPDSP for SAC Review
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>> wbquoteFrom: "James Kogler" ([log in to unmask] )
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>> Yep, #2 looks good.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> SISO-SAC: Katherine Morse wrote:
>> > From: "Katherine Morse" ([log in to unmask]
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>> > I vote for the first. The second is way too open to
individual
>> > interpretation.
>> >
>> > KLM
>> > -----------------------------------
>> > Katherine L. Morse, Ph.D.
>> > DMSO SETA Support
>> > Chief Scientist, AVP Technology
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>> >
>> >
>> > From: "James McCall" ([log in to unmask])
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>> > Relative to the use of Robert's Rules of Order:
>> >
>> > In fact, the only discussion of an informal style of
meeting in RONR is
>> > related to small board (less than 12 members). In the
introductory
>> > discussions, RONR recognizes three levels of meetings:
>> >
>> > Less than 6: Sit around the table and try to come to a
consensus.
>> >
>> > Between 6 and 12: Need at least a Chair and Secretary, Need
to
>> control who
>> > is speaking, Need to use precise language in defining
proposals and
>> > approving them.
>> >
>> > Over 12 members: Full Scale Parlementary Procedures
>> >
>> > The Informal Procedure in Small Boards may actually go too
far for
>> most of
>> > the PDG/PSG requirements:
>> >
>> >
>> > * Members do not have to stand or be recognized by the
chair in order
>> > to speak or make motions.
>> >
>> > * Motions need not be seconded
>> >
>> > * Members may speak any number of times on a question (not
just two)
>> > and motions to close or limit debate are generally not
permitted.
>> >
>> > * Motion does not have to be pending in order to discuss a
subject
>> > informally
>> >
>> > * Votes can be taken initially by a show of hands
>> >
>> > * If a proposal is perfectly clear to everyone, it may be
voted on
>> > even though no formal motion has been made.
>> >
>> > * In putting questions to a vote, the chairman need not
stand.
>> >
>> > * The chariman can participate in debate just as any other
board
>> > member and, subject to the custome in the particular board,
can also
> > make
>> > motions and vote
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Therefore, the particular sentence is wrong and needs
revision. I
>> propose
>> > the following:
>> >
>> > A meeting Chair shall conduct meetings in accordance with
Robert's
>> > Rules of
>> > Order Newly Revised (10th Edition). The Chair may entertain
a motion to
>> > suspend specific rules (e.g. standing, recognition, debate
limits) to
>> > allow
>> > for a more collegial process, however, at any time in the
meeting, the
>> > Chair
>> > may invoke parliamentary procedures in order to control the
meeting.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Alternatively, drop all references to RONR:
>> >
>> > A meeting Chair shall conduct meetings in a professional
manner.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
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